Legislature(1993 - 1994)

11/15/1993 01:30 PM Senate JUD

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                   SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE                                  
                          Anchorage, AK                                        
                       November 15, 1993                                       
                           1:30 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
 Senator Robin Taylor, Chairman                                                
 Senator Suzanne Little                                                        
 Senator Dave Donley                                                           
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Rick Halford, Vice-Chairman                                           
 Senator George Jacko                                                          
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
 Representative Cynthia Toohey                                                 
 Representative Ed Willis                                                      
 Representative Ron Larson                                                     
 Representative Terry Martin                                                   
 Representative Ramona Barnes                                                  
 Representative Con Bunde                                                      
 Representative Jim Nordlund                                                   
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE   CALENDAR                                                          
                                                                               
 ANTI-CRIME BRIEFING                                                           
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
 Edward McNally, District Attorney                                             
 Third Judicial District                                                       
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Colonel John Murphy, Director                                                 
 Division of Alaska State Troopers                                             
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Bill Mell, Executive Director of                                              
   Secondary Education                                                         
 Anchorage School District                                                     
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Duane Udland, Deputy Chief                                                    
 Anchorage Police Department                                                   
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Sgt. Mike Grimes, Homicide Chief                                              
 Anchorage Police Department                                                   
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Janice Lienhart                                                               
 Victims for Justice                                                           
 619 E. 5th St.                                                                
 Anchorage, AK 99501                                                           
                                                                               
 Ralph Samuels                                                                 
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
 Phone: 344-7253                                                               
                                                                               
 Donna Poff & Mindy Dinsmore                                                   
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Randy Smith                                                                   
 Mountain View Community Council                                               
 801 W. Bragaw                                                                 
 Anchorage, AK 99508                                                           
                                                                               
 Celeste Benson                                                                
 Fairview Community Council                                                    
 1530 Orca St.                                                                 
 Anchorage, AK 99501                                                           
                                                                               
 Alice Jean Lawrence                                                           
 833 North Hoyt                                                                
 Anchorage, AK 99508                                                           
                                                                               
 Audrey Renschen, Chief, Sex Crimes Unit                                       
 Anchorage District Attorneys' Office                                          
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Joe Bottini                                                                   
 U.S. Attorney, Alaska District                                                
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Wiley Thompson, Assistant Special Agent                                       
 Federal Bureau of Investigation                                               
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Harry Thomas, District Attorney                                               
 Fourth Judicial District                                                      
 Fairbanks, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Larry McKinstry, Deputy Commissioner                                          
 Department of Corrections                                                     
 Juneau, AK                                                                    
                                                                               
 Diane Schenker, Special Assistant to the                                      
  Commissioner                                                                 
 Department of Corrections                                                     
 Juneau, AK                                                                    
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
                                                                               
 TAPE 93-56, SIDE A                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LOREN LEMAN, sitting in for Chairman Robin Taylor, called             
 the meeting of the Senate Judiciary Committee to order at 1:30                
 p.m., and noted that the meeting was being teleconferenced to the             
 Barrow, Bethel, Juneau, Ketchikan, Matsu and Kenai/Soldotna                   
 teleconference sites.                                                         
                                                                               
 Senator Leman introduced the following invited guests who would be            
 making presentations during the meeting:  Edward McNally, District            
 Attorney, Anchorage; Duane Udland, Deputy Chief of Police, APD;               
 Colonel John Murphy, Alaska State Troopers; Wiley Thompson, Special           
 Agent, FBI Anchorage; Janice Leinhart, Director, Victims for                  
 Justice; Diane Schenker, Special Assistant, Department of                     
 Corrections; Lee Ann Lucas Special Assistant, Department of Public            
 Safety; and Kenneth Bischoff, Department of Public Safety.                    
                                                                               
 Number 030                                                                    
                                                                               
  EDWARD MCNALLY, District Attorney, Anchorage  ,  in his opening              
 comments, noted there was also a number of citizen activists and              
 victims or survivors of crime who were present to be part of the              
 proceedings.  He also passed on Attorney General Charlie Coles'               
 regrets that he was unable to personally participate in the                   
 briefing.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Mr. McNally expressed the participant's appreciation for the                  
 opportunity to appear before the committee because of their firm              
 belief that public safety is not just another line-item in a city             
 or a state budget; it is the first duty of any government.  He said           
 in Anchorage, local conversations increasingly turn to the latest             
 episode of crime in the schools, crime down the street, drive-by              
 shootings, or the emergency gangs, and there is very much a sense             
 of urgency in addressing these issues.  Crime is increasingly more            
 vicious, it is more likely to involve drugs, it is more likely to             
 involve guns, and, sadly, it is more likely to involve kids.                  
                                                                               
 Mr. McNally said Alaska has not been immune to the types of violent           
 crimes that have been occurring on the national scene.  Forty-four            
 Alaskans were murdered in 1992, fourteen of those were age 24 or              
 younger, two were under age 9.  He said the victims seem to get               
 younger every year and so do the killers.                                     
                                                                               
 Mr. McNally noted that Attorney General Janet Reno has said that              
 youth violence is the single greatest crime problem in America                
 today.  Between 1987 and 1991, the last year for which statistics             
 are available, the number of teenagers arrested for murder around             
 the country increased by an astonishing 85 percent.  Not long ago,            
 many Alaskans dismissed this kind of violence as simply an outside            
 problem; however, in 1992, on average, one Alaskan was murdered               
 every week, more than one Alaska woman was raped every day, and an            
 Alaskan was brutally assaulted with either a weapon or resulting in           
 serious injuries every three and one-half hours.                              
                                                                               
 Mr. McNally observed that respect for life seems to have ebbed                
 sharply among Alaska's teenagers.  The cruelty and the violence               
 suggests a small but growing segment of young criminals with little           
 concern for human life.  Today, the fear of crime strikes way too             
 many Alaska families; parents are fearing for their kids in school            
 or on the way home.  For some Anchorage teens, violence is simply             
 becoming a way of life.                                                       
                                                                               
 The focus on juvenile waiver has been on murders, but that is                 
 misleading.  He said the truth is that the system is so difficult,            
 so uphill and so cumbersome that the only juvenile waivers heard              
 about are murders, is this his office, scarce with resources,                 
 doesn't even attempt to waive any juvenile unless someone is                  
 actually dead.  He said that is not the way it is done in 49 states           
 and it is not right.                                                          
                                                                               
 Last year, 16 Alaskan juveniles were arrested for rape; thirteen of           
 those were age 15 or younger and five of them were 12 or younger.             
 Also last year, 84 juveniles were arrested for aggravated assault;            
 half of those 84 were age 15 or younger.  Ninety-one juveniles were           
 arrested on weapons offenses.  In Anchorage alone last year, 81               
 criminals were actually arrested for robbery; a fourth of those               
 robbery suspects were juveniles.  Almost half of those arrested for           
 attempted murder in Anchorage last year were juveniles.  A total of           
 more than 5,000 Alaskan juveniles were arrested for crimes                    
 committed in 1992.                                                            
                                                                               
 Mr. McNally said it is the outbreak of violence that increases our            
 children's fear of becoming victims themselves.  It makes them more           
 likely to interpret others' intentions as threatening and,                    
 therefore, to respond with force.  He added that if the battle                
 against youth violence can't be won in Anchorage, the rest of                 
 Alaska is in for trouble and, in their estimation, so far, that               
 battle is being lost.                                                         
                                                                               
 Mr. McNally directed attention to a number of charts and graphs               
 containing statistics which show dramatic increases in the state              
 for the crimes of rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.  He                  
 pointed out that in the last year the resources in the Criminal               
 Division of the Department of Law have gone down and there are                
 fewer prosecutors available to prosecute these additional crimes.             
 He said that by these numbers and by these incidents, Alaskans are            
 outraged and they want something done.                                        
                                                                               
 Mr. McNally spoke to a law passed in the State of Washington in               
 early November, which provides that criminals convicted of three              
 major violent felonies go to prison forever, no parole.                       
                                                                               
 Mr. McNally told the committee that the commonality in all the                
 anti-crime legislation to be discussed and considered is that                 
 people must be held accountable for their actions.  SB 54, SB 140,            
 SB 209 and HB 100 send a clear unmistakable and tough message that            
 those who commit violent crimes will be brought to justice.                   
                                                                               
 Number 240                                                                    
                                                                               
 Mr. McNally advised that crack and the explosive cycle of crack-              
 related violence today threatens the quality of life in many                  
 Anchorage neighborhoods.  Police say that crack use has doubled and           
 perhaps tripled in recent years.  The state's response to this                
 epidemic has to be across the board:  drug education and drug                 
 treatment.  For those who cannot learn, or will not seek help,                
 Alaska needs the basic tools of law enforcement:  conspiracy laws             
 and forfeiture laws.  He pointed out that these are two good                  
 examples of where, in a time of declining resources, the state                
 doesn't have to spend the kind of money being spent now.                      
                                                                               
 It is time for Alaska to change the rules and, in particular,                 
 target the repeat offenders that prey on Alaskans who are least               
 able to defend themselves.  He said if we're able to take them off            
 the street and out of the community for a long time, there is a               
 fighting chance of turning the corner on this outbreak of crime.              
 In fighting drug-related violence, Alaska has a tremendous resource           
 in its community spirit.                                                      
                                                                               
 In conclusion, Mr. McNally reiterated that Alaska's people are                
 asking for action to stop violent crime and for new laws to protect           
 women and children against violence and exploitation and family               
 violence.  To do the job, Alaska is going to need reenforcements;             
 this is true in Anchorage where for too long the DA's office has              
 been understaffed.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 350                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN noted that CHAIRMAN TAYLOR had arrived at the meeting           
 and that he was turning the gavel over to him.                                
                                                                               
 Number 397                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY commented that if these laws, which he feels are               
 necessary, are passed, it is very clear that the state will need              
 more prison space in the future.  MR. MCNALLY responded that as               
 part of the federal program on combating crime, Congress is                   
 discussing two matching programs that Alaska may have an                      
 opportunity to participate in.  One program would add 100,000 new             
 police officers and the other program is for prison construction.             
 He also suggested that the Cleary settlement agreement is something           
 that has to be looked at to see if there isn't a possibility, not             
 just to build more prisons, but to house more prisoners under less            
 pleasant surroundings in our jails.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 465                                                                    
                                                                               
  COLONEL JOHN MURPHY, ALASKA STATE TROOPERS,  reviewed year-to-date           
 statistics on a statewide basis which closely echo was the 1992               
 statistics show.  Violent crime in Alaska in 1993 is up 11 percent,           
 and felony assaults are up 26 percent.  He noted that the national            
 average is 24 percent.                                                        
                                                                               
 Colonel Murphy said that the problems in Anchorage, historically,             
 take about one to two years to spread out to rural Alaska.  Other             
 communities in Alaska are experiencing some of the same kinds of              
 violent crimes as occur in Anchorage.  He emphasized that to                  
 address these problems, it has to be approached on a multi-agency             
 level with everybody involved.                                                
                                                                               
 In his closing comments, Colonel Murphy related that Alaska has               
 a distinction of being one of sixteen states that have bombing                
 deaths.  He also stated that violent crime is a problem that is               
 here and it needs to be addressed.  The Alaska State Troopers are             
 willing to work with the Legislature in any way they can throughout           
 the coming session in trying to get this problem addressed.                   
                                                                               
 Colonel Murphy also informed the committee that the Uniform Crime             
 Report would be available to them within approximately two weeks.             
                                                                               
 Number 528                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN asked what is the most important thing                  
 legislators need to address in getting crime off of the streets.              
 COLONEL MURPHY responded that it needs to be a multifaceted                   
 approach with more police officers and more prosecutors.  Most                
 importantly, they need conspiracy and forfeiture statutes to deal             
 with violent crime.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 565                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR commented that everyone is concerned about the                 
 problem, and that there are some major pieces of legislation moving           
 through the process.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 580                                                                    
                                                                               
  BILL MELL, Executive Director of Secondary Education, Anchorage              
 School District,   said he would address a series of issues that              
 have been discussed with elementary and secondary school parents              
 over the last month and has been an issue under consideration by              
 the Anchorage School Board and school district administration for             
 approximately three years.  He said they do not feel that they are            
 in a situation of crisis, but they feel that they are at the edge             
 and need some help in dealing with some problems related to                   
 juvenile violence, particularly the possession of guns.                       
                                                                               
 Three years ago, the Anchorage School District passed some new                
 policies relating to weapons on campus and gangs and gang-like                
 behavior, but they are back before the community now because it is            
 felt there are some things that they need to deal with before they            
 reach crisis proportions.  Issues identified are:  (1)  the need              
 for clear and immediate communication between the Anchorage Police            
 Department, the Alaska State Troopers and the schools; (2)  the               
 conspiracy law, as it relates to young adults over 18 years of age            
 counselling younger students to commit violent acts or crimes; (3)            
 expanding the scope of the juvenile waiver law to more than just              
 murder; (4) school campuses and their surrounding areas declared              
 weapons free zones; and (5) an anti-graffiti ordinance or                     
 regulation.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Mr. Mell said the Anchorage School District, the Secondary Advisory           
 Committee and Victims For Justice will be cooperating on some                 
 public speaking out on these issues, but they will need some help             
 to organize.                                                                  
                                                                               
 TAPE 93-56, SIDE B                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 Mr. Mell said there are some things that need to be understood                
 about the schools and the communities that are reflected in the               
 schools.  The Anchorage School District has grown 4,000 to 5,000              
 students since about 1988.  The resources that they have had                  
 available to deal with issues related to gangs, crime control and             
 decorum in the school setting have either remained flat or                    
 declined.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Mr. Mell explained that the district is trying its very best to               
 work in this area, but they are moving into areas that they never             
 thought they would have to move into.  They believe that with some            
 changes and with the involvement of the community, particularly in            
 those 18 hours of the day that they don't have them as students,              
 they have an opportunity not to go through the same things that               
 schools have gone through in communities across the United States.            
                                                                               
 Number 065                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY asked Mr. Mell is the school district has been                 
 coordinating the idea of the gun free zone concept with rural                 
 districts to come up with a joint proposal from the school                    
 districts statewide.  MR. MELL responded that they hadn't, but they           
 think that probably the only success they are going to have is as             
 a local ordinance.  SENATOR DONLEY and SENATOR TAYLOR both                    
 expressed concern with the confusion created by having numerous               
 different local ordinances dealing with gun laws, and they                    
 encouraged working with the Association of School Boards in coming            
 up with a statewide proposal.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 110                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE TOOHEY asked what specifically the curriculum can do           
 to stem these problems.  MR. MELL said that 10 years ago the real             
 issue in the state wasn't violence, but was involvement with drugs.           
 In particular, the schools have taken a stand in two areas;                   
 prevention and intervention.  As a result of these programs, they             
 have seen approximately an 80 percent drop in the number of                   
 suspensions from school for drug and alcohol-related incidences.              
 He said they probably need to apply the same model for violence.              
 This past spring they piloted a program for violent students that             
 falls short of possession of a firearm in school that was                     
 relatively successful.  However, they had to reorganize their                 
 resources and stop doing other things to achieve this.                        
                                                                               
 Number 135                                                                    
                                                                               
  DUANE UDLAND,  Deputy Chief, Anchorage Police Department , quoted            
 statistics which he said reinforce the issue of juvenile crime that           
 is sweeping Alaska and, in particular, Anchorage.  The police                 
 department has already arrested three juveniles this year for                 
 murder.  In 1991 there were 13 juveniles arrested for robbery, and            
 this year, through August, they have arrested 22 juveniles for                
 robbery.  For serious assaults, in 1991 they arrested 136                     
 juveniles, and this year, through August, they arrested 266                   
 juveniles.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Deputy Chief Udland said the most frightening statistic is that in            
 1991 the policy department arrested 94 juveniles for weapons-                 
 related offenses; in 1992 they arrest 92 juveniles; and this year,            
 through August, they have arrested 102 juveniles.                             
                                                                               
 Deputy Chief Udland also told the committee that there are 150                
 young people, some of them adults, claiming affiliations with a               
 gang.  By the department's count, they think there are about 50 or            
 so that would qualify under a definition of "hard core gang                   
 members."                                                                     
                                                                               
 Deputy Chief Udland voiced his support for the anti-crime                     
 legislation being considered by the Legislature, which, he said,              
 will make the system more efficient and it will allow them to do a            
 better job.  However, he said that the system is bogged down with             
 a lack of resources.  He said the State of Alaska is least prepared           
 now of any time to deal with this rising crime rate and, at some              
 point, the Legislature and the local city governments are going to            
 have to look at the resources that are going at this problem.  He             
 pointed out that the waiting list to get in to see a district                 
 attorney to present a case is two to four weeks long.  The                    
 Corrections budget is also a problem and, as this tide rises,                 
 places like the McLaughlin Youth Center need support.                         
                                                                               
 Number 220                                                                    
                                                                               
  SGT. MIKE GRIMES, Homicide Chief, Anchorage Police Department,               
  displayed various types of weapons that the department has been              
 confiscating from juveniles.  Each weapon is from a pending case or           
 an adjudicated case in which a shooting was involved.  It was noted           
 by Sgt. Grimes that they are seeing more and more cut-down rifles             
 and cut-down shotguns being used.                                             
                                                                               
 Sgt. Grimes said he has been working as a police officer in                   
 Anchorage for almost 22 years, and what has occurred just in the              
 recent past, particularly over the past summer, is the tip of the             
 iceberg.  He said they don't have the laws right now dealing with             
 juveniles that are going to combat this problem.                              
                                                                               
 Number 330                                                                    
                                                                               
  JANICE LIENHART, Victims For Justice,  said she would be speaking on    on   
 the victim's perspective, and the main issues she would address               
 is juvenile privacy and its tremendous impact on the victims of               
 crime, as well as the importance of the constitutional amendment              
 that gives victims due process to the system.                                 
                                                                               
 Mr. Lienhart said that when a person becomes the victim of a crime.           
 the most traumatic thing that person lives with from then on is               
 that crime, but when it becomes involved in the system, especially            
 if it is a juvenile crime, the victim doesn't have the privilege to           
 know.  All of a sudden, the person who commits the crime has all              
 the rights and has all of the protections.                                    
                                                                               
 Ms. Lienhart stated that somehow the laws have to give the victim             
 information about the offender's treatment, so that the victim                
 doesn't have to live in fear if the offender is released.  Also, if           
 a juvenile offender, who may have an anger problem, is released               
 from a facility and starts attending school, the staff and students           
 have no way of knowing this and have no protection.  There is no              
 transfer of information so there is no safety for the community,              
 and the juvenile offender has no accountability because he is being           
 protected.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Ms. Lienhart pointed out that over 14 states have now passed a                
 constitutional amendment which is probably the most effective tool            
 in guaranteeing a victim's right to due process.  She urged the               
 committee's consideration and support for such an amendment.                  
                                                                               
 Number 430                                                                    
                                                                               
  RALPH SAMUELS, the brother of a murder victim,  related how in 1989,    9,   
 a young mane from Service High School in Anchorage, carrying a                
 stolen gun, went to a house in South Anchorage and forced his                 
 brother at gun point into giving him his car keys before shooting             
 him to death.  The 16-year-old juvenile was arrested and confessed            
 to his brother's murder.  However, a judge later ruled that because           
 the police department, even though they had the advice of the                 
 District Attorney's office, didn't try to call the offender's                 
 parents first, that the confession, the murder weapon, any                    
 statements he had made, would all be thrown out of court.  The DA's           
 office then took the case to the Supreme Court, but it is yet to be           
 acted on.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Mr. Samuels said that more than four years after the murder of his            
 brother, they have now determined that one piece of evidence can be           
 used to determine whether or not the offender can be tried as an              
 adult, which means they are at least a year away from any grand               
 jury indictment.                                                              
                                                                               
 Mr. Samuels spoke to the suffering all of the delays in the system            
 have caused to his family.  He declared it is something that should           
 have gone to trial three years ago and be over with so that his               
 family can begin the healing process.  He expressed his anger at              
 the State of Alaska and the Legislature for not passing laws that             
 would prevent this kind of injustice from happening.                          
                                                                               
 Number 685                                                                    
                                                                               
  DONNA POFF, the mother of a murder victim,  said that she, like Ms.     .    
 Leinhart and Mr. Samuels, is very upset and angry at the system,              
 and she questioned why something hasn't been done.  She pointed out           
 that Ms. Leinhart and others have been trying to get new laws for             
 over seven years.                                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 93-57, SIDE A                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 Ms. Poff said that in September she sent letters and pictures                 
 relating to her son's death to 34 legislators and she has received            
 only two responses.                                                           
                                                                               
  MINDY DINSMORE, the victim's sister,  told the committee they have           
 spent three weeks going through a waiver hearing, and she spoke to            
 the traumatic effect all of the delays have had on the family.                
                                                                               
 Ms. Poff said her son didn't do anything wrong, except that he                
 trusted other people too much, and she questioned if the                      
 legislators really care about the victim's rights or if they are              
 more interested in protecting the offender.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 087                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR assured Ms. Poff that there are legislators who                
 care, that there is legislation that is moving through the process,           
 and when it passes, there will be changes and there will be                   
 indictments.  He has served in the capacity as a district court               
 judge for six years, and he has watched victims get misused just as           
 she has been misused by our system.  HE said that it's time we pull           
 the cover off the whole thing, and that's why the hearing is being            
 held today and why there will be more hearings.                               
                                                                               
 Number 145                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY expressed his concern to Ms. Poff, and said that he            
 had legislation in place a few years ago that would have changed              
 what has happened, if he could have been successful in getting the            
 legislation passed.  He stressed that the way things will be done             
 better is with bi-partisan cooperation such as was done with the              
 passage of SB 54 (OFFENSES BY JUVENILE OFFENDERS) this past                   
 session.  He said the legislation is a big step forward and                   
 legislators are looking forward to it becoming law next session.              
                                                                               
 Number 195                                                                    
                                                                               
  RANDY SMITH, President of the Mountain View Community Council,  a            
 community of approximately 6,000 residents in Northeast Anchorage,            
 reminded the committee to keep in mind that was is happening in               
 Mountain View isn't just happening there, that these types of                 
 things are affecting Alaskans everywhere.                                     
                                                                               
 Mr. Smith referred to a three-page list containing the locations of           
 18 crack houses and drug houses in Mountain View.  In August they             
 had anywhere from 15 to 25 street level druggies and drug                     
 traffickers standing on the street corners in Mountain View.  APD             
 did a sweep for 30 days, using up all of their overtime budget                
 trying to get these people off of the street.  He said they made a            
 lot of arrests, but very few of those arrests give anybody any hard           
 time, so they are back on the street.                                         
                                                                               
 Mr. Smith said that the high levels of drugs and alcohol abuse                
 isn't only a problem in Mountain View.  He declared this is                   
 statewide problem that is not being addressed, and the citizens of            
 the state are asking their elected representatives to do something            
 about it.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Mr. Smith also spoke to the escalation of the crime of arson; the             
 increased number of people being killed as a result of DWI's; and             
 the high levels of violent crimes, property crimes, auto thefts,              
 burglaries, vandalism, youth gang activities and youth crime.                 
 Alaska isn't to the level of big cities in the Lower 48, but he               
 warned that Alaskans must wake up and address these problems                  
 because it is coming.                                                         
                                                                               
 Mr. Smith related that Mountain View accounts for over three times            
 the number of calls for service to APD as the Anchorage average and           
 four times the crime per capita as the overall rate in Anchorage.             
                                                                               
 Mr. Smith urged passage of laws dealing with conspiracy,                      
 forfeiture, third-time DWI, grand theft auto, youth with firearms,            
 and drugs and alcohol.  He also urged support for public safety               
 programs such as community policing, citizen patrols; increasing              
 the number of policemen, prosecutors, judges, court staffs,                   
 correction officers, and probation officers; increasing jail and              
 prison space; and offering more alcohol treatment programs, drug              
 treatment programs and youth firearm safety programs.                         
                                                                               
 Number 325                                                                    
                                                                               
  CELESTE BENSON, representing the community of Fairview,  said her            
 community is a neighbor to Mountain View and like Mountain View,              
 her community experiences similar problems.  She asked that laws be           
 developed and enacted that protect neighborhoods because they are             
 losing ground and everything possible needs to be done to protect             
 the people and the families who live in these neighborhoods.                  
                                                                               
 Ms. Benson said her community has identified crack cocaine as the             
 destructive force in their neighborhood and, as a community, they             
 are doing everything they can to provide the programs and the                 
 quality type things for their youth, but they are constantly                  
 meeting frustrations with budget cuts in school programs,                     
 overcrowding in schools, lack of law enforcement and a lack of                
 consistency in government.                                                    
                                                                               
 Ms. Benson said Fairview has a beautiful community recreation                 
 center, but parents do not feel that they can send their children             
 there because of the drug dealing that is going on outside in the             
 parking lot.                                                                  
                                                                               
 For several years, Fairview has been struggling with what is to be            
 done with the small-time criminals or the guy on the street selling           
 coke for the big drug dealers.  The community has been given the              
 message they these are not the guys the criminal justice system               
 wants to deal with, but these are the guys that are influencing the           
 young people and destroying the peace and tranquility of the                  
 neighborhoods.  One of the major blocks they have found in Fairview           
 in dealing with street crimes is the absentee landlord, and there             
 needs to be laws that force these landlords to be responsible for             
 their properties where a lot of the crime is occurring.                       
                                                                               
 In conclusion,  Ms. Benson said everyone needs to work together to            
 see what the priorities for our youth are and what it is that is              
 going to keep children moving in a positive direction rather than             
 falling on the side of drugs and crime.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 480                                                                    
                                                                               
  ALICE JEAN LAWRENCE, the mother of 12 children and a resident of             
 Mountain View,  stated that she is frustrated and burned-out because     e    
 nothing of any significance has been done in the 27 years she has             
 lived in the community.  She is one of the many people that have              
 been fighting to survive in Mountain View.                                    
                                                                               
 Mrs. Lawrence, speaking to absentee landlords, said these landlords           
 know what is going on in their properties, and a lot of the                   
 managers of these units are the drug pushers.  She suggested                  
 cracking down on the landlords, the managers pushing the drugs and            
 the people buying the drugs and having them appear in court at the            
 same time.  She also suggested putting the gangs that are the                 
 causing the trouble to work in programs such as renovating these              
 properties which are in a sad state of disrepair.                             
                                                                               
 Mrs. Lawrence also spoke to the work she and her husband have been            
 doing out of their own home in trying to combat the problems in               
 their neighborhood.                                                           
                                                                               
 In her closing comments, Mrs. Lawrence said she doesn't think                 
 anybody is doing the job that should be done and that nothing is              
 going to change, but she is willing to give the legislators another           
 chance in showing that they care.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 607                                                                    
                                                                               
  AUDREY RENSCHEN, Chief, Sex Crimes Unit, Anchorage DA's Office,              
 told the committee she works with three other attorneys and the               
 three of them handle all of the sexual assault and sexual abuse of            
 minors cases.  They try to handle them in a "vertical prosecution"            
 so that when a victim comes in and testifies at grand jury, the               
 victim sees the same face again when coming in to testify at a jury           
 trial.  That way the attorneys have the ability to know their case            
 best, know what the problems are, deal with them, and also treat              
 the victim in a more appropriate way.                                         
                                                                               
 Ms. Renschen stated that crimes against women and children are                
 increasing, and she directed attention to graphs which show a                 
 dramatic increase since 1989 of reported rapes in Anchorage.                  
                                                                               
 Between 1990 and 1992, there have been 943 reported rapes of adults           
 in Alaska, which is an increase of 77 percent since 1989, with                
 nearly half of those assaults occurring in Anchorage.  For the                
 first nine months of 1993, there are already 330 reported rapes,              
 which is an 28 percent increase over the totals from last year.               
                                                                               
 In 1990, Alaska ranked third in the nation in the incidence of                
 sexual assault.                                                               
                                                                               
 Child sexual abuse has also increased dramatically.  In 1992, there           
 were 2,039 reports of child sexual abuse in Alaska.  Alaska leads             
 the nation in the rate of child sexual abuse; it is six times the             
 national average.  According to the statistics, one of every six              
 children, just in Anchorage, is sexually abused.                              
                                                                               
 Ms. Renschen said these cases are difficult cases to prove because            
 most sexual assault cases or child sexual abuse cases often, in               
 terms of evidence, basically come down to one person's word against           
 another, which makes it very difficult to prove.                              
                                                                               
 TAPE 93-57, SIDE B                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 Ms. Renschen spoke to the difficulties in how they handle young               
 children in sexual abuse cases and the need to build a rapport and            
 trust with these children in order to get at the truth.                       
                                                                               
 Turning to adult sexual assault cases and cases involving a                   
 defendant and a victim who know each other in some way, Ms.                   
 Renschen said that there are very peculiar dynamics that go on that           
 are very similar to the situation with children.   She said they              
 need to intervene in those situations quickly, because if they                
 don't provide the information that those people need to know about            
 what is going to happen, the perpetrator is the one who fills in              
 the blanks, putting financial pressures and family pressures on the           
 victim.                                                                       
                                                                               
 In situations where strangers are involved in sexual assault cases,           
 especially in situations where a defendant has a history of                   
 sexually assaulting women, a defendant can take a set of facts and            
 turn them around and make it seem as though it's the victim that is           
 at fault.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Ms. Renschen told the committee that the next speaker would be an             
 anonymous 27-year-old young woman who was the victim of a very                
 brutal sexual assault by a man who had previously been convicted              
 twice in California of sexually assaulting women.  There was also             
 a report that the same man tried to sexually assault another woman,           
 but she would not press charges.  She said her office was not able            
 to prosecute this case because the defendant was able to raise the            
 kinds of issues about consent that they were not in a position to             
 be able to disprove.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 132                                                                    
                                                                               
 The anonymous victim told the committee how she accepted a ride               
 home from a gathering by the man, but instead was taken to his                
 apartment where he had weapons and he threatened to kill her if she           
 made any noise.  She said she was forced to remain in the apartment           
 for 12 hours where she was beaten and sexually assaulted in every             
 way imaginable.  After the incident, she called the police and they           
 took her to the hospital.  She said she pressed charges against the           
 man, but it turned out that she was the one on trial and was made             
 out to be the one in the wrong.                                               
 Ms. Renschen related that approximately one month ago, this same              
 man assaulted two other women.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 171                                                                    
                                                                               
 Ms. Renschen said that so far this year, their office has taken in            
 168 cases to determine whether or not charges should be issued,               
 with 96 of those being charged already.  These are complex cases,             
 they are resource intensive cases, and they are cases the                     
 Legislature can help by recognizing that they need the resources as           
 well as the additional laws that will help them prosecute the                 
 offenders.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 210                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY asked if Rule 404(B) was a factor in the case cited.           
 MS. RENSCHEN acknowledged that it was, and they would have liked to           
 have been allowed to use it, but the interpretation by the court is           
 that evidence of prior sexual assaults can't be used with regard to           
 proving the lack of consent.  SENATOR DONLEY said the Rules of                
 Evidence statute was modified two years ago to allow the use of               
 that evidence, and that the court's interpretation is clearly in              
 violation of the statute.  EDWARD MCNALLY added that he was                   
 involved in a case two weeks ago where the judges said flat out               
 that they do not believe that was the Legislature's intent and they           
 don't believe there is evidence that it was the Legislature's                 
 intent.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 250                                                                    
                                                                               
  RAMONA BARNES, Speaker of the House of Representatives,  commended           
 the committee for taking the initiative to hold the hearing, and              
 stated that the House Finance Committee will be holding hearings              
 before the beginning of the upcoming session on the anti-crime                
 legislation passed by the Senate last session.  She also said that            
 some of the bills that the House passed last session are still in             
 the Senate and she is confident that they will be acted on early              
 next session.                                                                 
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR said there has been a major shift in policy in                 
 Juneau in the last year regarding the movement of the conspiracy              
 bill, juvenile waiver bills,etc., and he told Speaker Barnes he               
 knows of her strong commitment in these areas, and he appreciates             
 the leadership she has provided in the House on these issues.                 
                                                                               
 Number 330                                                                    
                                                                               
  JOE BOTTINI, United States Attorney for the Alaska District,                 
 assured the committee that the criminal conspiracy law and the                
 forfeiture law are effective and necessary tools in successfully              
 prosecuting organized criminal activity.                                      
                                                                               
 The situation as it exists in Alaska today is that if the Alaska              
 State Troopers, or the Anchorage Police Department, or any other              
 state or local agency went out and successfully investigated and              
 put together a prosecutable case involving a criminal organization,           
 then brought the case into the DA's office to be considered for               
 prosecution, there would be situations where all of the players in            
 that organization would not be held accountable. He said the                  
 statutes that are on the books right now don't cover all of the               
 situations that are found in this district, and a criminal                    
 conspiracy law is necessary to hold accountable all of the players            
 in criminal organizations.                                                    
                                                                               
 Because there is no conspiracy statute in Alaska, the burden has              
 fallen upon the U.S. Attorney's office in this district to take on            
 the larger prosecutions involving drug trafficking organizations or           
 violent crime activity.  However, he told the committee that this             
 practice cannot continue because, like the state agencies, they are           
 experiencing budget cut-backs.  He also pointed out that the U.S.             
 Attorney's office isn't there just as a prosecuting agency, they              
 have numerous other responsibilities.                                         
                                                                               
 Mr. Bottini said the federal judicial system, the federal law                 
 enforcement, the U.S. Attorney's office is a much smaller pull of             
 resources to handle these types of cases being discussed,and that             
 their colleagues in the District Attorneys' offices and the                   
 Attorney General's office ought to have the same sorts of tools as            
 the federal government.                                                       
                                                                               
 Mr. Bottini informed the committee that there are at least 150                
 forfeiture statutes on the books in the federal system.  It is a              
 topic that has come to the forefront over the last several years              
 because of the increase in drug trafficking activity and the                  
 emphasis that the U.S. congress has put upon devoting resources to            
 the asset forfeiture program.  He said their Alaska office has one            
 attorney who handles nothing but forfeiture cases, and he explained           
 how those cases are pursued under a criminal forfeiture theory and            
 under a civil forfeiture theory.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 485                                                                    
                                                                               
  WILEY THOMPSON, Assistant Special Agent in charge of the FBI in              
 Alaska,  related that effective December 17, he will become the               
 special agent in charge for the state.                                        
                                                                               
 Mr. Wiley said his purpose for appearing before the committee is              
 two-fold:  first to show support for the Alaska State Troopers, the           
 Anchorage Police Department, the District Attorneys' offices                  
 throughout the state, and all of the state and local law                      
 enforcement agencies with whom the FBI has an excellent working               
 relationship; and secondly, to give an overview of FBI jurisdiction           
 and resources.                                                                
                                                                               
 In his overview, Mr. Wiley said that in Alaska the FBI is charged             
 with the responsibility of investigating 260 violations of federal            
 law, and due to the large volume of violations, it is necessary for           
 the FBI, in conjunction with the U.S. Attorney's office, to set               
 priorities.  At this time, the FBI priorities are white collar                
 crime, organized crime and drugs, which they combine, and violent             
 crimes.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Mr. Thompson noted that it is in the drug and violent crime cases             
 that they work the closest with the state and local law                       
 enforcement.  However, since FBI human resources are limited and              
 while collar crime has a far greater impact on the state, the FBI             
 must constantly balance the commitment to drug and violent crime              
 cases, which are important, but which are sometimes of lesser                 
 importance or priority.                                                       
                                                                               
 Occasionally the FBI will assist the state in an investigation                
 where there is concurrent jurisdiction, but the state lacks the               
 arsenal of weapons like conspiracy and forfeiture to effectively              
 charge and prosecute the defendants.  He added that while the FBI             
 enjoys an excellent working relationship with state and local law             
 enforcement, one must question the efficiency of federal                      
 intervention and involvement in cases in which the state is capable           
 of handling the investigation, but lacks the criminal statutes                
 patterned after those in the federal government.                              
                                                                               
 Mr. Thompson informed the committee that last year there were                 
 $132,000 worth of forfeitures out of the FBI Alaska office, and               
 many of those forfeitures came through state and local agencies               
 which came to them because they did not have the means by which to            
 do that in the state system.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 610                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY said in the rural areas of the state, the law                  
 enforcement people don't have near the capability of training their           
 people like the FBI agents are trained, and he asked Mr. Thompson             
 what could be done to address that concern.  WILEY THOMPSON                   
 suggested that through the preparation of the statute itself and              
 the crafting of the legislation, protections could be written in.             
 Also, many Alaska police officers have been trained by the FBI and            
 they would be capable of being entrusted with the responsibility to           
 handle both the forfeiture and conspiracy statutes.                           
                                                                               
 Number 685                                                                    
                                                                               
  HARRY DAVIS, District Attorney, Fairbanks,  said the juvenile waiver    er   
 bill is only part of the solution to the problem; that we must look           
 at the charging decisions in the juvenile delinquency rules.                  
 Delinquency Rule 6 provides that the charging decisions rest with             
 Department of Health and Social Services juvenile intake officers,            
 and he suggested that the charging decision on juvenile crime                 
 should be in the District Attorneys' offices, where it is in most             
 states.                                                                       
                                                                               
 TAPE 93-58, SIDE A                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 Mr. Davis said the problem with Rule 404(B) is that there is still            
 Rule 403, which allows the judge the discretion of weighing the               
 appropriate value in excluding the evidence.  He suggested                    
 specifically amending Rule 404(B) to say that it shall be                     
 admissible, because as long as there is that discretion in Rule               
 403, there will be individual judges who are going to exclude it no           
 matter how appropriate it is.                                                 
                                                                               
 Mr. Davis said an area that has been of concern to him in trying              
 numerous homicide cases is where the victim's character is trashed            
 in self-defense cases, and he suggested it is another provision               
 that needs to be looked at and addressed.                                     
                                                                               
 Mr. Davis also proposed expanding the registration of sex offenders           
 to DNA data banks.  He said it won't be too far in the future when            
 they will be able to use DNA for purposes of identification of sex            
 offenders and be able to solve a lot of sexual assaults that they             
 aren't presently abe to solve.                                                
                                                                               
 Mr. Davis also stressed that juvenile offenders should not be                 
 incarcerated with hardened criminals, and this could be                       
 accomplished by simply having separate facilities or segregated               
 facilities where youthful offenders are kept with youthful                    
 offenders.  He suggested legislation specifically directing the               
 Division of Corrections that youthful offenders will be                       
 incarcerated in separate facilities.                                          
                                                                               
 Mr. Davis said the Legislature has been very responsive to a lot of           
 the needs of prosecution,  However, the times are changing and                
 they've got to be able to continue to respond to the new problems             
 that they will be facing.  The juvenile justice system is in                  
 shambles, and the only reason the public has put up with it is                
 because it has been shielded from them.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 130                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked Mr. Davis if he would provide him with his               
 comments on what the Legislature can do to restructure the juvenile           
 justice system, and he said that although it probably can't be                
 accomplished in the next session, the Legislature could probably              
 get a good start on addressing the problem.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 220                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY said Alaska has one of the highest percentages of              
 incarceration of its population, and people frequently comment that           
 obviously, the answer is not to build more prisons and put more               
 people in prison.  He added that he personally disagrees with that            
 theory because he thinks it is a very effective way to deal with              
 repeat offenders.  HARRY DAVIS responded that the cost of letting             
 them out is a lot more than keeping them locked up.  Also, a lot of           
 the offenders incarcerated in maximum institutions don't need to be           
 in maximum institutions, they could be in much less cost                      
 institutions such as the half-way houses.  He also suggested that             
 the Cleary decision should be modified and litigated because the              
 public isn't willing to pay for the types of institutions that are            
 being run in the state.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 338                                                                    
                                                                               
 ED MCNALLY, referring to the last part of the meeting agenda which            
 lists suggestions for anti-crime legislation, called it a                     
 "prosecutors' wish list" not an Administration proposal.  Some are            
 very small changes, but very significant.  He said that they would            
 be happy at any future opportunity to provide the committee with              
 more substance of what these proposals might do.                              
                                                                               
 Number 366                                                                    
                                                                               
  DIANE SCHENKER, Special Assistant to the Commissioner, Department            
 of Corrections,  introduced Deputy Commissioner McKinstry who would           
 be speaking for the department.  She noted that she would be                  
 distributing a profile of the prisoner population that was taken              
 last summer and shows the percentage increase in the population and           
 the cost per day.                                                             
                                                                               
  LARRY MCKINSTRY, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Corrections,             
 said he had a conversation earlier in the day with a man from the             
 National Institute of Corrections who indicated that he had gone              
 through the entire Cleary settlement agreement and looked at what             
 Alaska is doing, and he didn't see anything that was out of line              
 with what is going on in the Lower 48.  Deputy Commissioner                   
 McKinstry said it might look like Alaska is doing a lot more for              
 prisoners than they are down south, but that is because the numbers           
 are so much different.  Also, it might look like the state is doing           
 more because the facilities are so spread out; there are a number             
 of small facilities and they have to provide similar types of                 
 things to each group of people in each facility.                              
                                                                               
 Deputy Commissioner McKinstry told the committee that because of              
 budget cuts over the last couple of years, the department has had             
 do some pretty innovative things.  He pointed out that last year              
 the department spent approximately $1,700,000 to increase the                 
 number of half-way house beds in the system, which are now running            
 at about 95 percent capacity.                                                 
                                                                               
 The Deputy Commissioner also informed the committee that the prison           
 population is about 250 over the maximum capacity as is set by the            
 Cleary settlement agreement, which means they are also about 130              
 over their emergency capacity.  In order to assimilate any changes            
 in the criminal code, they are going to need more beds, and they              
 are going to need the types of beds that take time to build and to            
 put on line.                                                                  
                                                                               
 One thing the department was successful in doing in the last couple           
 of months was petitioning the court under Cleary to allow them to             
 double bunk a number of cells in Spring Creek.  They were                     
 successful in this effort and were allowed to add an additional 50            
 beds, but that is contingent upon funding from the Legislature.               
                                                                               
 Deputy Commissioner McKinstry said everyone seems to feel that                
 because of the nature of the crime in our streets, that it is                 
 necessary to be able to have immediate sanctions placed on people             
 when they go through the court system.  In misdemeanor cases,                 
 especially, the Department of Corrections has been forced to create           
 a large backlog of misdemeanants awaiting housing in their                    
 facilities.  He said it doesn't do any good to postpone a sentence            
 for six or eight months, and the bottom line is that the state is             
 going to have to increase the bed space in its prisons.  He did add           
 that the number of people waiting to serve their time and that time           
 line has dropped drastically.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 540                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked if there was any reason why they couldn't                
 contract for more out-of-state prisoner space.  DIANE SCHENKER                
 answered that the department has clear statutory authority that it            
 can put prisoners anywhere, yet there is strong political                     
 opposition to removing people from the proximity of their families.           
 DEPUTY COMMISSIONER MCKINSTRY added that at one time there were               
 over 200 inmates out in the federal system, but after the Cleary              
 agreement, they ended up with a lawsuit over conditions in the                
 federal system.  They agreed to bring the prisoners back and built            
 the Spring Creek facility.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 620                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LITTLE said one of the points that was contested in                   
 discussions last year on contracting with an out-of-state prison              
 was that the state really didn't have a handle on the cost that was           
 going to be charged to house the prisoners.  She suggested that if            
 the Legislature is going to consider shipping prisoners out of                
 state, the cost is going to have to be very clearly lined out.  She           
 added that she favors shipping new prisoners out of state and                 
 retaining the prisoners already in the system in state, but she is            
 not in favor of vacating the state's facilities in order to                   
 subsidize another state's economy.  SENATOR TAYLOR commented that             
 he doesn't think there is going to be anybody out of work, but the            
 real question is how many more Spring Creeks do we build on down              
 the road.  DEPUTY COMMISSIONER MCKINSTRY pointed out that in the              
 Cleary case there is an agreement that they don't send anybody out            
 of state to a federal prison against their will.  But the question            
 of sending them to a private facility or a state facility has not             
 been answered.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 710                                                                    
                                                                               
 DEPUTY COMMISSIONER MCKINSTRY reminded the committee that adding              
 crimes to the books that have to be prosecuted is going to create             
 a need for pretrial beds, not only in the bigger cities, but in the           
 outlying areas as well where it is very expensive to run a                    
 facility.                                                                     
                                                                               
 TAPE 93-58, SIDE B                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 015                                                                    
                                                                               
 DIANE SCHENKER said the whole thrust of the department's current              
 population management plan to deal with the overcrowding is towards           
 the low-custody community bed.  They believe those programs are               
 good, and it is the department's position that it is helpful to try           
 to reintegrate people gradually at the end of their sentence, but             
 it is not a solution to adding more people to the system.  She said           
 if we can't afford the additional beds and staffing that's going to           
 be needed if these bills pass, then the only other solution is to,            
 as an entire system, agree upon some sort of cut in peoples'                  
 sentences, which is not a popular alternative.                                
                                                                               
 Number 060                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR suggested that the department take a hard look at              
 long-term antibuse implants for repeat offenders within the                   
 facilities who are alcohol abusers and are there because every time           
 they got drunk they either physically or sexually abused their                
 wife, children, etc.  He said this has been tried in other states             
 and it has worked.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 085                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN asked if the department is planning on                  
 expanding the electronic monitoring pilot program.  DEPUTY                    
 COMMISSIONER MCKINSTRY answered that the department is looking at             
 it and considering expanding it to about 75 slots statewide.  DIANE           
 SCHENKER said they have about a dozen people still in the program,            
 but to try to use the pilot program as a pretrial bed relief did              
 not succeed and the department is currently compiling a report on             
 the program.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Ms. Schenker and the Deputy Commissioner also spoke to concerns               
 with the early release of prisoners and the furlough program.  The            
 department needs some statutory clarification on early release for            
 prisoners who have successfully done part of their furlough in a              
 half-way house, as well as clarification on prisoners getting                 
 credit for time served when they are out just running around in the           
 community.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 150                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR said told Deputy Commissioner McKinstry and Ms.                
 Schenker that any suggestions from the department that are creative           
 and may help in coming up with solutions would be appreciated.                
                                                                               
 Number 200                                                                    
                                                                               
  KEN BISHOFF, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                  
 Department of Public Safety,  informed the committee that the                 
 Governor is reviewing legislation being proposed by the department            
 that would clean up their criminal history records law.  He said              
 this is the area where they keep the fingerprints and criminal                
 history records, and if a DNA data base program is instituted, it             
 would be the logical place to put the computer aspect of this data.           
                                                                               
 Mr. Bishoff pointed out that the department also maintains links to           
 the FBI in other states and Canada, as well as having access to               
 state data bases and federal data bases in other parts of the                 
 world.  All of these data bases contain information that is                   
 probably used at some point in virtually every criminal justice               
 decision.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Mr. Bishoff directed attention to a chart relating to proposed                
 criminal history record content.  He said it would be a complete              
 record backed up by fingerprints, and the department's goal is to             
 get all of the information in one central on-line file so that all            
 criminal justice agencies can have access to it.                              
                                                                               
 Number 300                                                                    
                                                                               
  KAREN JOHNSON  and her daughter  GINGER JOHNSON  appeared before the    he   
 committee in support of victims' rights.                                      
                                                                               
 Ginger Johnson said her fiancee, James Bradley Roberts, was                   
 murdered for no apparent reason in October at the Northway shopping           
 mall in Anchorage by a 17-year-old girl with a nine millimeter                
 handgun.  Ms. Johnson was an eyewitness to the shooting, but                  
 because minors are involved, she has been unable to get any                   
 information on the case.                                                      
                                                                               
 Karen Johnson said they do know that the girl who committed the               
 crime is a member of a gang known as the Hamilton Tribe.  She added           
 that the girl, who had no compunction about using the weapon, is              
 still in the same position she was in that night:  she is still               
 free, she still has access to a weapon and has no compunction about           
 using it.                                                                     
 Number 470                                                                    
                                                                               
 RANDY SMITH said one thing that didn't come up during the meeting             
 was in reference to privatization of the state's jails and prisons.           
 He said he knows the Legislature has looked at the issue in the               
 past, and he suggested it be revisited to see if there are some               
 solutions to the high cost of incarcerating prisoners.                        
                                                                               
 Number 500                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR expressed his appreciation to all who had                      
 participated in the anti-crime briefing, and adjourned the meeting            
 at approximately 6:00 p.m.                                                    
                                                                               

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